"Let bygones be bygones" Conversation with Modern Dog Co Justin Cloud

Hey folks—quick heads up before we start: viewer discretion advised. I cuss a bit more than usual in this one. This episode wasn’t supposed to be an episode. It started as an internet squabble and turned into a real conversation about behavior, modification, and the messy overlap with social media. The format’s different: it’s virtual, it’s loose, and I’m not in “interviewer mode.” Instead, you’ll hear me working through my own perspectives, looking for common ground, and sharing the lenses that help me avoid bite incidents—both in-session and in my board-and-train program. I’ll be the first to admit—I’m only human, and a passionate one at that. Sometimes that passion steers me into adversarial territory, and other times it helps me find common ground. Huge thanks to Justin from Modern Dog Co—not just for accepting my apology, but for agreeing to let this conversation be shared as a podcast episode so other trainers can benefit from it. Alright—let’s roll.